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04 Reflect, Refine, and Plan: Turning 2024 into Your Best Chapter Yet

• Jo Day / Lucy Rennie • Season 1 • Episode 4

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Merry Christmas and welcome to Creative Journeys!

Hi, I’m Lucy Rennie, and in this festive episode, I’m joined by the amazing Jo Day as we reflect on the past year and plan for the next. This time of year is perfect for slowing down, taking stock, and setting intentions. Whether you’re an entrepreneur, business owner, or simply looking to grow, this episode is packed with practical tips to help you turn the page into 2025 with clarity and purpose.

Episode Highlights

🎄 The Power of Reflection
This Christmas Day, I’m encouraging you to pause and look back at the year gone by. Think of it as your “first draft” a chance to evaluate, refine, and reimagine your story for the next chapter.

✨ Lessons from 2024

  • I’ve learned the importance of letting go of ego, perfectionism, and things that no longer serve me.
  • Setting boundaries and focusing on what matters most has been transformational.

✨ Jo’s Reflections
Jo shares her pride in launching the Brunchi Shop, a dream come true, and her discovery of the joy and value in face-to-face connections.

📚 Practical Takeaways

  • Reflect on the past year as a book: What chapters stand out? What would you edit or remove?
  • Identify the main characters in your story, are you spending time with the right people?
  • Answer three key questions for 2025:
    1. What will I stop doing?
    2. What will I start doing?
    3. What will I do more of?

My Favourite Reflection Tools

💡 Take time to meditate, journal, or simply go for a walk. These quiet moments help spark insights into what’s working, what isn’t, and where you want to go.

Episode Extras

🎁 I’ve put together a Reflection Worksheet to guide you through this process. Download it here.
🌟 If you want to go deeper, reach out for my workshop on setting meaningful goals for 2025!

Let’s Connect

We'd love to hear how you’re reflecting and planning for the year ahead. Share your thoughts and takeaways with us on social media or in the comments.

Final Thoughts

Let’s turn the page together and write a fantastic next chapter for 2025. Merry Christmas, and here’s to a New Year filled with creativity, clarity, and courage.

✨ Until next time, stay creative!

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[00:00:00] Lucy Rennie: Hi, and welcome to another edition of Creative Journeys. I'm Lucy Rennie and I'm here with the brilliant. 

[00:00:07] Jo Day: Me, Jo Day. And we're recording this for Christmas day. So if you're watching this episode. The day airs, it's the 25th of December and it's Christmas Day! Lucy, what we're talking about today? 

[00:00:23] Lucy Rennie: Oh, Merry Christmas, Jo. 

[00:00:26] Jo Day: Merry Christmas, Lucy. 

[00:00:27] Lucy Rennie: What we do today is For those of you who have a business and you know what it even works for those of you who haven't necessarily got business yet, but you're thinking about business, but I just think this time of year is the perfect time to stop, slow down, and take some time out to reflect and to review on the past sort of 12 months.

[00:00:50] Lucy Rennie: And if you're anything like me, you're You'd build up to Christmas, we're going to have a manic sort of day to day and Christmas day, boxing day, and then it's going to be slowing down. And then I know maybe 24 hours later, my brain's going to start and I'll be thinking about what we're going to do next year and where all that's going.

[00:01:09] Lucy Rennie: And so this is really important before you start thinking about next year is actually to take some time to step back and reflect and think about what's happened over the last 12 months. What have you learned? What what are the good things? What are the bad things? Maybe one of the things that you want to Take forward with you, maybe some of the things you don't want to take forward and you want to leave behind.

[00:01:29] Lucy Rennie: So I thought if we had a little bit of a chat today, maybe we can do it for ourselves, actually, it'd be quite interesting to see what insights come out. 

[00:01:38] Jo Day: Yeah. I've, literally. While I was waiting for you to come in the studio, I've just posted, I've just shared on Facebook actually, a little bit of a reflection that I'm coming into the studio.

[00:01:49] Jo Day: This is the last recording session of 2024. But then as I was writing it, I was thinking, how many have I done this year? How many have we done? recorded and it's over a thousand episodes. I've recorded and produced and edited over a thousand podcast episodes, over 20, 000 video clips, soundbites, 20, 000, eight audio books and a partridge in a pear tree.

[00:02:17] Jo Day: There's a lot more as well that that's been done. So I literally just reflected a little bit on that post and I thought, wow, like that's a lot of stuff, a lot of content that's been produced this year. What about yourself? What have you been up to? 

[00:02:32] Lucy Rennie: Do you know what 

[00:02:33] Lucy Rennie: Just on that even, I think this is one of the things that as entrepreneurs, when you're running a business and just.

[00:02:40] Lucy Rennie: We just don't stop, do we, to recognise what you've done or what actually you've accomplished. It's always I suppose for me, it's always I enjoy doing the things. So once I've got them, I'm ready to get on the next thing. But actually just taking that time, that's what this is about.

[00:02:57] Lucy Rennie: Just taking some time to actually go, wow, it's you. And you can realise that you can hear my voice. I've had the lurgy for over the weekend, so I'm feeling a bit rubbish. But I think it. It helps you realize why sometimes you can be so exhausted as well, don't it? Because actually we are doing so many, things and such good things as well,

[00:03:18] Lucy Rennie: it's good to recognize I thought when thinking about you and thinking about how we met as well, when you were formatting my book this is something that I've been doing as well with the members of the Future Proof Club is. Looking at the year. And so if we're always thinking about how we want our life to be the kind of life that we want to lead, and very often when we start our own business, it's because we're dreaming, aren't we, of a certain lifestyle, we want that freedom yourself in Lanzarote or me on the side of a big hill, or being able to do the school pick up or whatever that might be.

[00:03:51] Lucy Rennie: We want to do things that we love. Then we're all, that for me is the goal is right. I want to create a world that. I love that a business that I love. So I'm waking up in the morning and I'm happy. I'm doing good things and working with great people. And I suppose what I wanted, or what I've encouraged people to do when they're doing this exercise is to think of the last 12 months as almost like the first draft of your book.

[00:04:19] Lucy Rennie: Yeah, you know so when you've written your book, and you know that feeling when you've got the first thing down You're like oh god for that and then actually start reading it, and you're like oh no get rid of that bit I don't like how that sounded or whatever And it's quite a nice analogy to look at the last 12 months as if you've written the first draft And then actually just go okay, all that hard work.

[00:04:38] Lucy Rennie: Wow. That was and actually just doing that as an accomplishment in itself, but then thinking about, okay, so if next year is going to be the next edition or a refined version of that book, what, what's that look like? So are there any chapters that you think, do you know what, does it deserve to be in there?

[00:04:55] Lucy Rennie: Should it be, do I want more of that? Do I want less? Oh, do you know what? That was, that's, that doesn't, it's not relevant anymore. I want to get that bit out. And so it's, that's it. I just love that idea of yeah, just taking stock, taking five minutes, maybe even doing a little meditation, and just shutting your eyes and just going back to where you were this time last year, what you thought you were going to be doing, your expectations, and then just scribbling down.

[00:05:21] Lucy Rennie: The things that come out, the headlines, there's this sort of, and there'll be some things you're just like, oh god that happened and I really don't want that to happen again or maybe there was an amazing thing where you just, that you were buzzing and that's the bit that you want to have more of next year or you want to embellish that and bring it maybe to the front of the book or have the thread through it.

[00:05:39] Lucy Rennie: So I suppose for me that's the first thing is just to Yeah, look back and pull out the main bits that you, as if you were editing it and what you want to do with it. So it's your story. 

[00:05:51] Jo Day: I think it's a great idea a really good approach. So if 12 chapters, you've got 12 months, think about 12 chapters, that'd be a healthy kind of book 12 chapters, quite balanced and just go through what happened in January, February, all the way through to the end of the year.

[00:06:13] Jo Day: And the people who you started the walk in the year with, and the ones that are no longer here, what clients you've won, what clients you've lost, all of that kind of thing. And which bits were ringing the cash register, which bits weren't, what what are you doing? It's consuming a lot of your time, but it's actually earning you no money and it's taking you away from family time.

[00:06:44] Jo Day: And so what work stuff are you doing that you're just doing? So that could be something like, are you spending time every week writing a newsletter and publishing it on your website by looking at the analytics on your website, that nobody's reading it or seeing it, because it's not optimized for SEO and because of how Google's changed, that there's a lot of redundant stuff that you've been doing that nobody's seen.

[00:07:13] Jo Day: So you're spending one or two hours every week doing a blog post that nobody ever reads. bin it off. Stop writing the blog post. It's that kind of exercise. It's that reflection of, There's a decision to be made. We'll use the blog post as the example. So do I improve the blog post so it gets seen?

[00:07:37] Jo Day: Do I invest more time? Or do I just bin it off and do something different that guarantees my visibility? And that I'm getting seen somewhere else, because that's what it's all about. If you're not seen, then you're not heard, yeah? And it doesn't matter how good your stuff is, how good your offers are, how expert you are in any topic, any subject.

[00:08:02] Jo Day: If you're not getting seen and heard, it's all for nothing, and you've got a finite amount of time that you'll never ever get back. Think about your time as a currency, and What is that one hour, or even one minute of your time, in terms of monetary value, what is that the exchange of, or, it's protect, for me, it's about protecting your family time.

[00:08:36] Lucy Rennie: And that feeds in, when you were saying about people. It's almost again, if we're keeping that analogy of the book, you can think of it as who are the main characters? Who are the main characters in the plot? What is the plot first of all? So what's the story that you're actually trying to to create?

[00:08:51] Lucy Rennie: What's the kind of the, vision for it? But then, Again, with that reviewing and reflecting, are you spending the right amount of time with the right characters in the book, and that fits with the golden circle of your family and friends, doesn't it? And priorities. And I know one of the biggest learnings for me earlier this year and really until last year was, I know I was spending far too much time with. People who were in the outer circle because I thought that was how I needed to do it. And I was wanting to help everybody and do all these different things, but it was to the detriment of the people who were really needed me or who really were important to me. And that's something that I think is huge if we can, understand that and notice it and recognize it.

[00:09:41] Lucy Rennie: So I agree. I think there's something there about, and that could be with clients as well. It's that Pareto's law, isn't it? It's the 80, 20. It's really checking back in and actually making sure you are spending the right amount of time with the right people, clients, work, topics, 

[00:09:58] Lucy Rennie: whatever that is.

[00:09:59] Jo Day: I love that saying, that no is a complete sentence as well. I love it. No. There's a complete sentence. You don't have to be a yes person. You don't have to be a people pleaser. I'm a recovering people pleaser. I'll tell you 2024 for me has been the year of recovering from people pleasing all of my life and saying yes to everybody, putting everybody else's needs before my own.

[00:10:27] Jo Day: And that's in life and in business. I always put other people before my own needs. So 2024 for me. I've had a look at the characters in the book. I've had a look at who the main characters are, who I want in my life, and those people who were just an energy drain, who were sapping my time. And 

[00:10:52] Lucy Rennie: mood hoovers we call them.

[00:10:53] Jo Day: mood hoovers, yeah. And I've Like I've let a lot of clients go this year and I'm really, choosy over who I spend my time with. And from a client point of view, you don't have to say yes to everybody. 

[00:11:08] Lucy Rennie: It's liberating when you don't. 

[00:11:10] Jo Day: It really was.

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[00:11:11] Lucy Rennie: Choice. Yeah. 

[00:11:13] Jo Day: And a lot of people will accept clients.

[00:11:17] Jo Day: I'm going off on a tangent, but I'm going to cover this really quickly. A lot of people accept clients because they need the money. But if you're taking on a client that's not a good fit for you, then you're closing the door to the opportunity of finding a client that is a good fit and won't bring your mood down, and doesn't constantly message you on WhatsApp, doesn't constantly email you every five minutes.

[00:11:47] Jo Day: People that have bought a basic package but want platinum with knobs on. Do you know what I mean? 

[00:11:56] Lucy Rennie: That's so true though. It's ah, we could talk, we need to go and talk about this again in the new year. But I think, first of all, for me, I'm like you, I've always yes, I'll do that. You know what I mean?

[00:12:14] Lucy Rennie: Actually, by saying yes to something, if you think of it in the way that if you're saying yes to one thing, you're actually saying no to something else. And so it's the choice, isn't it? You can't do everything. So actually by saying no to the things that aren't right for you, you're opening up space to welcome in more of the things that aren't, that are right for you, whether that's clients, time, projects, et cetera.

[00:12:38] Lucy Rennie: And I think there's something there about the client. I agree with you so much is that it's the ones who aren't right, who are low ticket. Look at you, look at Jo's cup. 

[00:12:48] Jo Day: Look at me all sparkly for Christmas day. And you guess what I'm drinking. Might be alcoholic.

[00:12:56] Lucy Rennie: Oh, Jo. But I think there is something about. They are the ones that then are draining you, aren't they? Because actually and, the other way around is that you're not adding as much value to them. So there's it's got to be a reciprocal thing, hasn't it? Once you start really identifying who the right clients are for you.

[00:13:15] Lucy Rennie: So yeah, I'm with you. 

[00:13:16] Jo Day: Yeah. So luce, what does your book look like for 2024? So if you were to reflect back now on chapter one, what does chapter one through 12 look like? What did that kind of look like for you in terms of have you, done any of that if you were to look back now all the, people that need to go or the processes that you need to change?

[00:13:45] Jo Day: I think we did a lot of, we, we were at the beginning of the year, we were doing a lot of this. So we've been reflecting and it's a good practice to get in. So I'm just thinking about in the, at the beginning of the year when we were working on setting our OKRs and the strategy pillows, the pillars.

[00:14:11] Jo Day: Strategy pillars and then off the back of that, the OKRs and the goal setting. And, it really got you thinking about, it's so structured moving forward. But we'll probably do a whole episode on this 

[00:14:26] Lucy Rennie: I think that's a great one for the new year, to help people really get focused on what they want to do.

[00:14:33] Lucy Rennie: So yeah, I think for me, it almost feels, it feels like I want to say I've grown up in my business. It's going to be 10 years next year, 2025, and I feel like it's 

[00:14:49] Jo Day: matured. 

[00:14:50] Lucy Rennie: Yeah it's that shift from being a tween to a teenager to a kind of a, and I feel like I've done what we've just been talking about.

[00:14:58] Lucy Rennie: I've done a lot of that inner work in terms of the people pleasing or working out what I You know what I'm good at, my strengths, what I'm not good at, what I enjoy doing, what I don't, where I add value, where I don't, and I think it's that I've done a lot of shedding and stripping back. And it's been scary at times to say I'm not doing that program anymore, or I'm not doing this, or I'm I'm really going to focus my time and energy on this because I think I've been guilty of.

[00:15:26] Lucy Rennie: As a lot of people are, but I think of being that busy fool, doing lots and lots of things and thinking I can do that and do that. And actually we make more progress and we move our business forward. Don't we? When we really focus on the one or two things that are key for us. And that's where we put our energy.

[00:15:42] Lucy Rennie: And that's what the OKRs are really good at. So I think the last 12 really understanding myself. And then obviously that ties into the business, and really understanding what it is that I do and who I can help and how that works. And then I think the other big thing for me, and again, I think that's to do with age, but is just being able to be me.

[00:16:11] Lucy Rennie: Do you know, I think, and just being able to just. Be me and be who I am and yeah, and just, yeah, just own that and not be worrying about what people think what who's going to judge me or what. 

[00:16:26] Jo Day: No boundaries. 

[00:16:27] Jo Day: Have you been better with your boundaries this year? Yeah, I've been a lot better with boundaries this year.

[00:16:34] Lucy Rennie: But the thing is, actually, once you can own that and be you, that's when the magic happens. You actually create good stuff and people come and you have real conversations and it's liberating.

[00:16:50] Jo Day: Yeah, and I think another thing that I've enjoyed this year is, No response. I've enjoyed the let them move. I've loved the let them movement. People going to talk shit about you and your business? Let them. 

[00:17:08] Lucy Rennie: Let them. 

[00:17:09] Jo Day: Are people going to go out your life? Let them. I've loved seeing all of the let them. I've loved seeing all of those posts and that movement this year. But I've also enjoyed No response is a response.

[00:17:25] Jo Day: That for me, like adopting that at the beginning of the year, that if I don't want to respond, like I don't want to give you any more of my time, silence is the best response. And I'm like, that's so liberating for me that I don't need to say anything because removing myself from you as your service provider, I actually issued somebody a full refund to us earlier in the year.

[00:17:59] Jo Day: I was feeling really not well earlier in the year, like full on lurgy like yourself, and I was in bed, I could hardly speak, I think my earring had gone in my left ear, and he kept on and on and despite me telling them I was in bed ill, they were still demand so I logged onto my computer.

[00:18:22] Jo Day: Went into stripe and just issued them a full refund, even though they've been a client for over two months. And I just issued a full refund, shut my laptop and went to sleep. I'm not dealing with this shit anymore. I don't need you in my life. And I'm like, if you, 10 years ago, never ever have dared do that, I wouldn't have dreamt of doing it.

[00:18:47] Jo Day: Because of the reputation of that, but it was like. This person is, not only were they crossing the boundary, they were being so disrespectful, knowing that I told them. I'm ill. I'm off from work. You're gonna have to wait.

[00:19:05] Lucy Rennie: And that comes down to your values again, doesn't it? It's attracting or not those right people, and they obviously weren't The kind of people that we want to work with. 

[00:19:14] Jo Day: I didn't know that until I started working with them. 

[00:19:16] Lucy Rennie: Yeah, that's the thing sometimes. It's really tricky to 

[00:19:20] Jo Day: What I would say is don't be afraid of making those kind of decisions.

[00:19:25] Jo Day: Nothing bad happened, I'll tell you. Nothing bad happened. They were mortified that I'd just issued a full refund, left them with all of their assets and everything that they needed. Yeah. And they were like, oh, but when I was well again, my response to them was, perhaps next time, think about take, a step back and think about if somebody's actively telling you that they're ill, how important is your, I used to call it five to five moment.

[00:20:02] Jo Day: It's a 5 to 5. Yeah, I don't know if you've heard me say that before, but I used to have people when I worked in the energy sector, they'd come to me and they'd go, Oh my God, it's always been 5 to 5 at night. Oh my God blah, blah, blah. We found these thousands of accounts that haven't done this and blah, blah, blah.

[00:20:19] Jo Day: And they'd be like, almost panic stricken, and I'd just say, It's 5 to 5, I'm going home in 5 minutes, I don't like, come back tomorrow. This is what you need to do, go and find me all the detail of it, go and do the analysis. and find how big the problem actually is and then come back tomorrow. But don't worry about it tonight because it's five to five.

[00:20:45] Jo Day: What are you going to do in five minutes? Because I had a small family. I had a young family at home. I was going home to my family. 5 to 5 come to me with a problem of 50, 000. 

[00:20:58] Lucy Rennie: It's they're coming to you, aren't they? Instead of actually doing it themselves, or is that monkey management? 

[00:21:03] Jo Day: Yeah, they've got a load of monkeys that they want to come and chuck at me at 5 to 5 in the afternoon.

[00:21:07] Jo Day: No, thank you. Keep them monkeys till tomorrow. I don't want them. 

[00:21:11] Lucy Rennie: And I think that's one of the things, though, that I've found has really helped me. And I know it helps a lot of the clients when I'm working with them is you just describe when you were poorly and you cancelled and refunded and that person actually then learned from that, didn't they?

[00:21:26] Lucy Rennie: Yeah, Thing is sometimes actually by, being that person or, actually owning it and, Having boundaries or being in our doing what we need to do. We're actually modeling that behavior for others. And so we're almost giving them, helping them to see, but also giving them permission to do it as well.

[00:21:49] Lucy Rennie: And showing and I always find when someone says to me, I'm thank you, but no, I've already committed to this or thanks for the offer or thanks for the invitation. I've already I'm, Whatever it is i'm always like oh shit yeah they've got their shit together you know they're okay it's huge respect To myself oh god you know who does she think she is it's the opposite and I think if we can own that and come at that with come at it with that angle I think it helps us to really own our space and you know our Own our voice, she says with a croakiest voice in town.

[00:22:26] Lucy Rennie: But I'm going to ask you then, so just because I know we don't want to do a massive long episode today and I could talk about this forever, but if people, again, we'll say at the end, but if people do want, to go deeper into this, they can get in touch because I've actually got a handout, a worksheet that'll take them through these different exercises.

[00:22:45] Lucy Rennie: Yeah, but some questions then. So firstly, Jo, 

[00:22:50] Lucy Rennie: Are you most proud of this year? What are you most proud of and what have you learned? Two questions. 

[00:22:58] Jo Day: Most proud of opening the shop, Brunchi Shop, in the marina. So most proud of that and that is evolving. It's it's in the nurture phase at the moment.

[00:23:12] Jo Day: We're still learning, we're, we've been trading for 10 months now and step by step we're making changes in the stock, in the USP, in the niche, and it, in all the things the, visuals, everything, and that's based on customer feedback, but the shop for me has been. The thing I'm most proud of this year.

[00:23:36] Jo Day: So although I've done lots of amazing things in my consultancy business and with audio and co, the shop has got to be. The thing I'm most proud of, it's almost like I've fulfilled a childhood dream and that's why I'm proud of it because I love playing a little bit of shop. 

[00:23:55] Lucy Rennie: Same. I love it. Yeah, I get it.

[00:23:58] Jo Day: What have I learned? I've, the biggest lesson, I guess I've learned from the shop is people are much nicer. in person than online. I prefer physical bricks and mortar businesses than just purely being in an online space. So when you've got somewhere that you can go and meet people face to face, the human connection is really strong and really powerful.

[00:24:37] Jo Day: It is, if you're doing like calls like this, you can still feel, because it's still, you're not in the same room, obviously, but rather than people who are just writing online. 

[00:24:49] Lucy Rennie: A genuine connection, isn't it? You're saying 

[00:24:51] Lucy Rennie: it's real people and real authentic ness, which hasn't just become almost a buzzword, but actually just like being real.

[00:24:58] Lucy Rennie: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:25:00] Jo Day: For anybody who's watching this, me and Lucy have actually only met, is it two or three times we've met now? 

[00:25:05] Lucy Rennie: Okay. Fortune, the last time. 

[00:25:09] Jo Day: Oh my God, we both got parking tickets. It was like twins. It's Luce, have you had this ticket? McDonald's? Have you had a 

[00:25:27] Jo Day: coffee? Have 

[00:25:30] Jo Day: you had a coffee? 60 barking.

[00:25:34] Jo Day: Took it at McDonald's. Oh dear me. Anyway, what about you?

[00:25:40] Lucy Rennie: £120 quid

[00:25:41] Lucy Rennie: Oh, geez. Yes, dear it a couple of times. 

[00:25:45] Jo Day: Fun year, haven't we been good? Laugh if anything It's been a good laugh, but. There's a lot of stuff that we don't share. You only see online the bits that we want you to see. We share snippets and it might look like, bloody hell, they're online all the time, but we're not.

[00:26:03] Jo Day: It's actually, you prepare the stuff, it takes a few minutes, you jump on, do a story, and jump off again, and that's it. I'm head down getting on with my work, and I might have, oh, I think I'll just make a brew. I pop the kettle and then I think, Oh, I'll just jump and do a story, but you only see the bits that we're willing to share with you.

[00:26:24] Jo Day: And I think, yeah, online versus in person and store, I've loved the in person stuff this year. On the terrace of an evening, having a laugh with customers has been the highlight. 

[00:26:36] Lucy Rennie: And you've just, said, Oh, cause actually what you're saying is it's the real you as in you can't. Go on, I'll just delete that one and come back again.

[00:26:44] Lucy Rennie: She can't come out and say, Good evening, I said that wrong, I'll go back and do it 

[00:26:48] Lucy Rennie: again. 

[00:26:49] Jo Day: If we lived in the real world, like people do online. I'll delete that, yeah. 

[00:26:55] Lucy Rennie: The filter, I mean look at the state of my face today. I'm just like, but this was this, Ellie actually said to me this morning, Oh mummy, you look so much better.

[00:27:05] Lucy Rennie: And I'm like, what 

[00:27:06] Lucy Rennie: did I say? 

[00:27:07] Jo Day: What did you look like at the weekend? And anyway. Just for you then, what for you, what is the, your best achievement, what you're most proud of this year and, what, is your biggest lesson? What you'll take into 2020. 

[00:27:23] Lucy Rennie: I'm, you know what, I'm just really proud of doing big scary things as in making decisions and owning it and doing what I wanted and what I'm following my gut and that's what I'm proud of in terms of everything, whether it's family, home, but business as well.

[00:27:41] Lucy Rennie: Yeah. Actually listening to myself and yeah, going owning my shit and. Again, like you were saying about not getting caught up in the, so let them, it's almost let go of the ego, let them be right, if that's actually needs to be right, just let, that's what I'm proud of. 

[00:28:00] Jo Day: It's almost like we go full circle, so when you're a youngster, you'll go and talk to the stranger on the bus, you'll go and chat with people and do outrageous, you'll dance on the dance floor when no one else is dancing, and at some point, at some age, We've become aware of ourselves, and I don't know if it's five or six or seven, but parents will start saying, oh no, don't do that, oh.

[00:28:26] Jo Day: So this total free spirit way of living without a care in the world and showing up and just living life. It's almost as if it's silence from us, but deep within, it's there. And then the older you get, it starts to resurface, and it's ooh, I quite like it. I quite like this confidence that I've now got.

[00:28:52] Jo Day: And, This thing inside that's been hiding since I was five or six years old has suddenly come back. I'll talk to strangers. I'm like, I think they can walk into a room now. I used to hate networking. I used to go into a networking meeting and see all the people and go, Oh God, I can't walk up to anybody because they're already in a conversation.

[00:29:17] Jo Day: And if I walk up, that makes three people in a conversation. And how do I walk up to them and, Ugh I used to hate networking. But now, I can just literally Like at the shop, what has the shop taught me? I can walk up to anybody and without bother say, you alright for drinks? Can I get you anything else?

[00:29:38] Jo Day: That's selling. That's, I'm interrupting the conversation. I'm like, they're chatting away and then I'm I make a way, I make a way of speaking to the people. I think I could do it in any networking meeting, is wander up to people. I'm not going to say, can I get you a drink? I used to be the person, Lucy, that would walk in the room and go straight on LinkedIn and I'd start just scrolling my phone.

[00:30:03] Jo Day: Or I'd go to the toilet. I'd spend 10 minutes in the toilet. But I think, 

[00:30:11] Lucy Rennie: I'll be dead honest, I'm still that person. It still fills me with dread walking into a room like that. However, What I now know about me is that I can be that person and do what I need to do if I make it about other people. So if I'm holding the space, if it's my event, if I'm running the workshop, or if I can, I'm, I don't know, making it about the other people, that's when it doesn't become I don't get self conscious about it and I can actually then I can be that person and I can go and do it.

[00:30:40] Lucy Rennie: And I think that's just as valuable as owning our strengths and knowing how we do things and 

[00:30:45] Lucy Rennie: what that looks like. 

[00:30:46] Jo Day: Because it's almost like the psychology of it because it's your events and then people either paid or it's a free event, whatever, but they've, on their own terms, decided that their valuable time is going to be spent at your event.

[00:31:02] Jo Day: I think it's incredible. Do you know, what I mean? And then it's the psychology of it that you're absolutely okay networking with those people because they've come to you. Yeah. 

[00:31:13] Lucy Rennie: But also I think It's, and I think it's Simon Sinner that talks about this, but it's even like when, if I'm going to giving a presentation, so it's not necessarily my event, but I'm the speaker, I would I'll be throwing up in the toilets behind with nerves.

[00:31:29] Lucy Rennie: But the way out of it for me is to say it's not about me, it's about them. About them, yeah. I'm not, Like those people who start a presentation and they give three slides of who they are and the backstory and da, and then they've got 10 minutes for the rest of the slot. For me, it's the opposite.

[00:31:44] Lucy Rennie: It's I want those people in the room to leave with, even if it's just one golden nugget, but something that they're gonna take away and, then be able to apply it or something. But it actually selfishly helps me not be nervous because it's not about showing who I am and proving myself and making it about.

[00:32:03] Lucy Rennie: And so it really helps me to get rid of the nerves and the butterflies because I'm like what do they want to know? What? How can I help them? How can I get them thinking differently? And that's when you can feel the magic. And I can feel the magic in myself when, yeah, it's about The others. So that's, yeah, that's been my learning really 

[00:32:22] Lucy Rennie: is understanding.

[00:32:23] Jo Day: Are we going to wrap up for today? I'm just conscious of time. 

[00:32:26] Lucy Rennie: Yeah, I know. The last day. Yeah, Christmas Day. And this could be about once you've eaten because I know what I'm like, I'll be eating a big box of Pringles with a big tub of hummus and I'll be sat on the sofa and I'll be like, I'm not eating any more hummus tomorrow.

[00:32:40] Lucy Rennie: I'm going to go for a run. Yeah, boxing day is even worse. But three questions to ask yourself. What are you going to stop doing? What are you going to start doing and what are you going to do more of into the new year? And then I think we'll come and we'll do an episode about tone for 2025. So maybe that's how we leave it is just asking people to think about what they're going to stop doing, what they're going to start doing and what are they going to do more of.

[00:33:05] Lucy Rennie: as the the second edition of the book in 2025. 

[00:33:10] Jo Day: Brilliant. Have a wonderful Christmas celebration, everybody, and we'll see you on New Year's Day. 

[00:33:18] Lucy Rennie: Yeah. 

[00:33:19] Lucy Rennie: Merry Christmas, everyone. And if you do want that handout, we'll put a link underneath where, if you want the workshop to go through. It's quite a nice time between Christmas and New Year to light a candle, do a little bit of meditation, or go out for a bit of a walk in the country, and then have a think about.

[00:33:35] Lucy Rennie: Yeah, what's coming up? Merry Christmas Jo, let's see your golden cup again one last go, let's show it us. Oh, 

[00:33:42] Jo Day: Merry Christmas. Comments, if you can guess what I'm drinking. You see what I did there?

[00:33:50] Jo Day: Merry Christmas everybody, bye for now.

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